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	<description>Abel&#039;s spanking blog &#38; stories</description>
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		<title>By: hermione</title>
		<link>http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2008/07/24/hot-off-the-presses/comment-page-1/#comment-98646</link>
		<dc:creator>hermione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Abel. Thank you for the excellent summary.
When they announced the verdict on Canadian television, they actually played bits of the grainy video. Not appropriate at 6:00 p.m. - family viewing time.

 Hugs,
Hermione</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Abel. Thank you for the excellent summary.<br />
When they announced the verdict on Canadian television, they actually played bits of the grainy video. Not appropriate at 6:00 p.m. &#8211; family viewing time.</p>
<p> Hugs,<br />
Hermione</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2008/07/24/hot-off-the-presses/comment-page-1/#comment-98603</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the females involved are being referred to as prostitutes when they do not sell sex, they should talk to a solicitor. They may have grounds for slander charges or something similar. It certainly sounds like it to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the females involved are being referred to as prostitutes when they do not sell sex, they should talk to a solicitor. They may have grounds for slander charges or something similar. It certainly sounds like it to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mosley Wins &#124; All Things Spanking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mosley Wins &#124; All Things Spanking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the court&#8217;s ruling posted by Abel of The Spanking Writers.   I encourage you to read this at: http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2008/07/24/hot-off-the-presses/   Tagged in: Max Mosley, Pro Domme, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the court&#8217;s ruling posted by Abel of The Spanking Writers.   I encourage you to read this at: <a href="http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2008/07/24/hot-off-the-presses/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2008/07/24/hot-off-the-presses/</a>   Tagged in: Max Mosley, Pro Domme, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SoundPunishment</title>
		<link>http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2008/07/24/hot-off-the-presses/comment-page-1/#comment-98513</link>
		<dc:creator>SoundPunishment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pandora,

I don&#039;t think that a girl being paid for sex is wrong, so long as she gets all the money and does not have to work that trade to line the pockets of a pimp or drug dealer.

I believe what a girl does with her own body, in private, is her right so long as she does not harm others.  

UK law, unlike other countries, does not define what is a prostitute but instead relies on her/him &#039;plying for trade&#039; as the offence and &#039;running a disorderly house&#039; or brothel if working collectively.

The girl does not commit an offence in private. Unfortunately this means that the press are free to interpret the term &#039;prostitute&#039; any way they like as it is difficult to sue for libel against that accusation if you are a professional in the &#039;bdsm scene&#039;.

I was making the point that BBC/press are using &#039;prostitute&#039; to sensationalise and work on the baser instincts of their listeners/readers rather than being objective.  

This ruling has seriously weakened any defence &#039;of in the public interest&#039; regarding sexual activities in private and therefore removed a lot of the prime &#039;meat&#039; that NOTW etc. use.

I hope that the PCC are going to stamp down on any infringements after this case because I fear that the &#039;scum of the world&#039; and others may decide to go after smaller fry, those that cannot afford to bring court cases, to fill the pages of their libellous rags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pandora,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that a girl being paid for sex is wrong, so long as she gets all the money and does not have to work that trade to line the pockets of a pimp or drug dealer.</p>
<p>I believe what a girl does with her own body, in private, is her right so long as she does not harm others.  </p>
<p>UK law, unlike other countries, does not define what is a prostitute but instead relies on her/him &#8216;plying for trade&#8217; as the offence and &#8216;running a disorderly house&#8217; or brothel if working collectively.</p>
<p>The girl does not commit an offence in private. Unfortunately this means that the press are free to interpret the term &#8216;prostitute&#8217; any way they like as it is difficult to sue for libel against that accusation if you are a professional in the &#8216;bdsm scene&#8217;.</p>
<p>I was making the point that BBC/press are using &#8216;prostitute&#8217; to sensationalise and work on the baser instincts of their listeners/readers rather than being objective.  </p>
<p>This ruling has seriously weakened any defence &#8216;of in the public interest&#8217; regarding sexual activities in private and therefore removed a lot of the prime &#8216;meat&#8217; that NOTW etc. use.</p>
<p>I hope that the PCC are going to stamp down on any infringements after this case because I fear that the &#8216;scum of the world&#8217; and others may decide to go after smaller fry, those that cannot afford to bring court cases, to fill the pages of their libellous rags.</p>
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		<title>By: Pandora</title>
		<link>http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2008/07/24/hot-off-the-presses/comment-page-1/#comment-98454</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sound Punishment - &quot;nasty associations of paid sex&quot;, eh? Careful. I know you mean well but it&#039;s a small leap from comments like this to the judgmental prudery of the New of the World. 

Abel - thanks for the quotes and commentary :) I saw the London Lite headline on my way home this evening before I checked my email, and my first thought when I read the story was to wonder whether MM would divert any of the settlement to Women A-D. Ah well. Small victories are definitely worth celebrating, and hopefully this judgement will make it less likely that more people&#039;s lives will be ruined in this way in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound Punishment &#8211; &#8220;nasty associations of paid sex&#8221;, eh? Careful. I know you mean well but it&#8217;s a small leap from comments like this to the judgmental prudery of the New of the World. </p>
<p>Abel &#8211; thanks for the quotes and commentary <img src='http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I saw the London Lite headline on my way home this evening before I checked my email, and my first thought when I read the story was to wonder whether MM would divert any of the settlement to Women A-D. Ah well. Small victories are definitely worth celebrating, and hopefully this judgement will make it less likely that more people&#8217;s lives will be ruined in this way in future.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Mosely Wins - but what now? &#187; Spanking News Online</title>
		<link>http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2008/07/24/hot-off-the-presses/comment-page-1/#comment-98453</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Mosely Wins - but what now? &#187; Spanking News Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Max Mosely has won his case against that abominable newspaper the News of the World. A very good prÃ©cis of the 57 page judgement by Mr Justice Eady can be found here on the Spanking Writers blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Max Mosely has won his case against that abominable newspaper the News of the World. A very good prÃ©cis of the 57 page judgement by Mr Justice Eady can be found here on the Spanking Writers blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SoundPunishment</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoundPunishment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one that knows Paul and Lucy, and at least one of the girls involved, I am glad that Mosely has won and that his stand was vindicated.

I am aghast that, despite this judgement, that the BBC and press are still referring to the girls as prostitutes when sex was NOT a service they offered!

Fetish escorts, spankees, masochists and sadists may cover the description but not prostitute with the nasty associations of paid sex that implies.

It seems that Max Mosely has now become &#039;bulletproof&#039; against further press intrusion but I am concerned that, whilst this multi-millionaire is  £60,000 the richer, that Paul and Lucy of Northern Spanking are left high and dry and facing an uncertain financial future by the malicious and inaccurate gutter press reporting in the Scottish papers that outed Paul.

I have offered what little help I can to Paul and Lucy, and also the girl I know that was affected, and I hope others in the spanking industry will do likewise. 

If we in the spanking fraternity cannot rally round and help then it reflects badly on us all because they are casualties in a battle fought, and fortunately won today, on behalf of all of us spankos.

My only other wish is that Woman-E and her ex-MI5 husband rot in hell for their treachery to those they called &#039;friends&#039; and used so terribly to get their 15 pieces of silver (they would have got 30 but the NOTW are as treacherous as themselves and only paid them half!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one that knows Paul and Lucy, and at least one of the girls involved, I am glad that Mosely has won and that his stand was vindicated.</p>
<p>I am aghast that, despite this judgement, that the BBC and press are still referring to the girls as prostitutes when sex was NOT a service they offered!</p>
<p>Fetish escorts, spankees, masochists and sadists may cover the description but not prostitute with the nasty associations of paid sex that implies.</p>
<p>It seems that Max Mosely has now become &#8216;bulletproof&#8217; against further press intrusion but I am concerned that, whilst this multi-millionaire is  £60,000 the richer, that Paul and Lucy of Northern Spanking are left high and dry and facing an uncertain financial future by the malicious and inaccurate gutter press reporting in the Scottish papers that outed Paul.</p>
<p>I have offered what little help I can to Paul and Lucy, and also the girl I know that was affected, and I hope others in the spanking industry will do likewise. </p>
<p>If we in the spanking fraternity cannot rally round and help then it reflects badly on us all because they are casualties in a battle fought, and fortunately won today, on behalf of all of us spankos.</p>
<p>My only other wish is that Woman-E and her ex-MI5 husband rot in hell for their treachery to those they called &#8216;friends&#8217; and used so terribly to get their 15 pieces of silver (they would have got 30 but the NOTW are as treacherous as themselves and only paid them half!).</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Abel.  You&#039;re sort of like Jane&#039;s Guide: we ready kinky decisions in their entirety so that you don&#039;t have to.  I haven&#039;t enjoyed a decision this much since the judge in Pennsylvania struck down the law that intelligent design had to be taught in the schools.

I wonder if there will ever be a day in which a person can&#039;t be fired for being involved in BDSM activities.  I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Abel.  You&#8217;re sort of like Jane&#8217;s Guide: we ready kinky decisions in their entirety so that you don&#8217;t have to.  I haven&#8217;t enjoyed a decision this much since the judge in Pennsylvania struck down the law that intelligent design had to be taught in the schools.</p>
<p>I wonder if there will ever be a day in which a person can&#8217;t be fired for being involved in BDSM activities.  I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that from this we should try to sieze on the judge&#039;s statement that &quot;the private conduct of adults is essentially no-one else&#039;s business&quot; and try to do something about the much-publicised legal detail that it is legal to sack someone for being involved in BDSM.

BDSM has come into the spotlight recently much as homosexuality did in the 90s. I remember when it was legal to sack someone for being gay. When genuinely well-meaning employers were requiring gay staff to have AIDS tests.

When that has been achieved we will have a case for challenging the extreme porn law. It will take a while but this way we take a civil rights approach instead of just being about porn. You can&#039;t take a moral stand in favour of porn, it doesn&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that from this we should try to sieze on the judge&#8217;s statement that &#8220;the private conduct of adults is essentially no-one else&#8217;s business&#8221; and try to do something about the much-publicised legal detail that it is legal to sack someone for being involved in BDSM.</p>
<p>BDSM has come into the spotlight recently much as homosexuality did in the 90s. I remember when it was legal to sack someone for being gay. When genuinely well-meaning employers were requiring gay staff to have AIDS tests.</p>
<p>When that has been achieved we will have a case for challenging the extreme porn law. It will take a while but this way we take a civil rights approach instead of just being about porn. You can&#8217;t take a moral stand in favour of porn, it doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abel, I second Zille&#039;s sentiment. 
Unfortunately less then a million  £&#039;s is but a slap on the wrist for this virulent specimen of the gutter press.
It is indeed a great day for the scene in Britain, but is a small step and many more such steps will be needed before we no longer need to hide the way we live.
Kate I understand that both Paul and Lucy lost their day jobs because some of the models involved had worked for them at one time or another, they don&#039;t make enough to live on from Northern Spanking, it is more a labour of love.
An excellent post Abel and a public service, thank you. Enjoy the wine.
Warm hugs,
Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abel, I second Zille&#8217;s sentiment.<br />
Unfortunately less then a million  £&#8217;s is but a slap on the wrist for this virulent specimen of the gutter press.<br />
It is indeed a great day for the scene in Britain, but is a small step and many more such steps will be needed before we no longer need to hide the way we live.<br />
Kate I understand that both Paul and Lucy lost their day jobs because some of the models involved had worked for them at one time or another, they don&#8217;t make enough to live on from Northern Spanking, it is more a labour of love.<br />
An excellent post Abel and a public service, thank you. Enjoy the wine.<br />
Warm hugs,<br />
Paul.</p>
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