Abel's spanking blog & stories
I’ve just re-read Emma Jane’s post describing the astonishing experience that she and Catherine went through last Thursday night – and I’m shaking slightly. (Don’t read it if you’re of a nervous disposition. Actually, do. It demands to be read – perhaps the edgiest post you’ll ever find on a kinky blog).
It’s some of the details that really get to me. The image of them kneeling as their captors hooded them from behind. Having their hands bound behind their backs for four hours. The disorientation of staring into bright lights, unable to see their inquisitor. EJ’s repeated recitation of Kipling’s “If…” to help to pull her through.
And then the waterboarding: the climax of the proceedings. My girls were, quite literally, tortured. [No imitation 'water bondage', this: have no doubt that this was the real procedure save only for the context - they were in those surroundings, ultimately, through personal choice, not seeking to avoid disclosing genuinely significant information to enemy captors].
As ever, writing about things helps me process, understand my own feelings. That’s what this post is about.
By the time they were en route to their doom, I knew a fair amount about what was going to happen to the girls – more, actually, by then, than they did themselves. Being honest, I was scared about what was going to take place, much as they had chosen to do this; irrationally worried – although I knew they would be in no actual danger. Haron, at the end of the telephone for half an hour or more, was wonderful at letting me talk through my feelings and reach a state of surprising calm. And that remained: through a business meeting, through a journey to the station, through my train ride home. Until, that is, I made the mistake of reading the Wikipedia article about waterboarding. I was nearly sick.
At home, as the clock ticked well past midnight, I couldn’t sleep, knowing some of what they must be going through at the time, far away. And my self-inflicted mental torture? That was in a warm, comfortable house. They were actually facing the reality – and knowing that it was self-inflicted, that they had chosen to do this, would scarcely make it any easier at the time: when the water started pouring, it would be real. I hadn’t expected to hear from them until the following lunchtime; that texts from each of them, buzzing with the excitement that I hoped they’d derive from what happened, arrived near-simultaneously shortly before 3am was a truly blessed relief.
Now, this stuff really isn’t my personal kink – and not just because of the lack of spanking. In my scene world, limits are discussed, safewords agreed, and the ‘informed consent’ is based on a pretty clear view of what’s involved. That’s not how Thursday worked. Rather, the ‘informed’ part seemed more to be that ‘the people concerned are safe and trustworthy’; the consent, to whatever it was that their tormentors decided to do to them within the agreed timeframe. Not specifying limits, not having a safeword – that formed part of the consent; the lack of their discussion was, therefore, something active not passive. It took some considerable mental struggle for me to understand this: it’s so alien to my personal play preferences. (And I know, even as I write that, that ‘play’ – or even ‘scene’ – somehow feels too trivial, lightweight a word for this particular event).
The lack of limits? That comes down to trust in those running the scene not to do anything that they know would go beyond that with which you (real you, back in the cold light of day not merely ‘you helped by the adrenaline of the scene’) would be happy – rather than simply pushing your boundaries very, very hard. The act of stating hard limits almost implies that the individual is explicitly consenting to the things that stay off the list – asking for them, even – and is undermining the very premise of the scene.
The absence of any safeword? I guess I best understand the justification – for the person on the receiving end – as follows: “having a safeword means I can stop the scene at any time; I therefore always retain a degree of power over what’s happening at every point, and sometimes that’s exactly what I don’t want.” It’s more than merely “I’ll be in too deep a headspace to ever use it anyway”. It requires absolute trust and absolute confidence in the top’s knowledge of what’s safe and ability to sense if anything is amiss. It’s the ultimate ceding of control.
This stuff is far outside my own comfort zone, and isn’t how I’d personally choose to play – but I can see why others might. Intellectually, I’m reconciled to it as a framework that works for other people – as it did for Catherine and Emma Jane. Emotionally, the reality of knowing what was done to my girls – particularly, specifically the waterboarding – still makes me shudder (no matter how hard I try not to, no matter how safe the context, no matter their fundamental consent to the situation which led them there, no matter their reactions to it.).
Ultimately, I admire my girlfriends’ torturers for having the sheer audacity to conceive something like this, for inspiring such trust, and for their skill in running it safely. As for Catherine and Emma Jane: I have the most wonderful girlfriends imaginable.
Kaelah
February 17th, 2011 at 10:19 am
A wonderful post, Abel, and I agree with you about everything you wrote! This kind of play would be totally outside my own comfort zone for exactly the reasons you described. But on a theoretical level I can understand that this is what others like Emma Jane and Catherine seek and that it doesn’t do them any harm because they do it in a safe environment. That’s why it wasn’t even that difficult for me to read Emma Jane’s account – I always knew that she would be okay. Of course the difference is that Catherine and Emma Jane are your girlfriends and I can absolutely relate to your mental state in that special situation.
I’m very thankful to Emma Jane for her fascinating post about the scene. Because like I wrote on her blog, knowing what is really happening in these scenarios helped me understand that this is nothing I’m longing for. First of all, I’m not interested in trying one of those things like water boarding, and secondly playing without a safeword and without limits is totally outside my own comfort zone, no matter how much I trust the people involved. I had been very curious about these scenes before I read Emma Jane’s account because I thought that they might fit to my “heroine” scenarios. Now I’m sure that this kind of experience doesn’t match my fantasies.
To my mind it is wonderful to know and accept one’s own boundaries like you do, while at the same time acknowledging that others have different desires and limits and protecting their freedom to explore them. I think not only Emma Jane and Catherine are very brave, you are brave as well, trusting their choices, letting them explore their fantasies and going through the roller coaster of emotions with them.
Abel
February 17th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Thanks, Kaelah for (as ever) a lovely comment. Trust me, there wasn’t much bravery from me last week. I do love it when they (and Haron) explore new things, although it’s not for me to “let them” do it – that’s entirely their choice, and not something I’d ever want (or attempt) to control!
Emma Jane
February 17th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I know how hard it was for you, not being part of it but being there for us afterwards. As has been often mentioned trust is so important, and you had to trust that we knew we were strong enough to cope. Thanks for being there and for this lovely write up
Abel
February 17th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
@EJ – thank you
Hugs xx
C
February 17th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
I think it’s awesome to read your views on Emma’s experience….especially after reading your “over protective” post. You’re awesome, Abel. Your girls are very lucky to have you!
Scarlett
February 17th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
“No imitation ‘water bondage’,”
Well… water bondage and water boarding are different things anyway, so not really comparable.
I think what makes reading EJ’s post so emotive is not that she did water boarding, lots of people in the BDSM community do, and that’s completely real and often carried out by people with military backgrounds. What makes EJ and Cath’s experiences (as far as I can tell) so hard core is that they did lots of different super hardcore stuff in one big go.
I’d struggle with the belief that this doesn’t constitute informed consent. I didn’t know how my first spanking, bondage or punch play sessions would pan out or what would happen. The informed bit comes from knowing that you don’t know.
I think perhaps the reason that this was so scary for you is that it’s so far out of the perimeters of what you know so well.
Good on EJ and Cath for taking such a step in self exploration. I can imagine it’s just as hard sitting at home worrying though.
Rayne
February 17th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
I agree with C!
Thank you for these honest reflections, Abel. So wonderful to be able to hear about the many varied adventures of you, Haron, EJ, and Cath from different perspectives! (Have you all gotten any closer to convincing Cath to start her own blog, yet?? ;D)
Abel
February 18th, 2011 at 6:24 am
@C – trust me, my girls are the ‘awesome’ ones. (The ‘protective’ post was, after all, about my tendency to be overly so – not actually a good thing).
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@Scarlett – interesting comment: thanks. And yes, it delights me when they explore their interests and boundaries; I wouldn’t ever want to stand in the way of that, nor would they want me to or let me.
Certainly it being out of my own kink / experience made it uncomfortable, but it was more the lack of limits and safewords that required real processing, the waterboarding forming (in my mind) the most extreme edge of the play within those parameters.
Is it really the case that “lots of people” in the BDSM scene go through waterboarding without knowing in advance that this would be done to them, and without therefore giving their *express* consent to it? If so, I’m a little surprised.
Even with specific consent, there are very few references to it within a BDSM context online (e.g. Fetlife, IC, blogs). So although I know a fair few people who’ve been through it, I’m not convinced that it’s all that commonplace. But I may just lead a particularly sheltered life
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@Rayne – thanks and hi! Nah, no joy on the Cath blog front, sadly
Don’t hold your breath!
Jessica
February 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
I think being a top/dom to someone who is taking part in edge-play without your presence is always very hard, even if you trust those people implicitly. I know that HWMBO has always need nervous for me when I have done interrogation/kidnap/rape scenes that hav involved the most difficult of BDSM practises, such as stress positions, White noise and sleep deprivation, drowning, breathplay and good old fashioned sexual ultraviolence.
I think that people can often be surprised at quite how many people in the wider scene have done edgeplay. As an example, at Kinky girls night out on Wednesday, where this scene was discussed, out of a table of 7 people, four had done waterboarding and one drowning (that’s reverse waterboarding if you like, being held forward under water as opposed to backwards). All of them hadn’t known in advance it was going to happen although it had previously been discussed as a possible ‘try’. So that’s more than two-thirds in a small group. Also, if you read the interrogation and kidnap groups on fetlife and the ultraviolence group on ic, you will find a lot of descriptions of extreme edge play, including waterboarding. So obviously such demanding play, is not unique or uncommon. However the desire to try something that is so adreneline fuelled is the interesting part!
Abel, I greatly admire your protective instinct because that is the best kind of dom to have – one that is happy to let you fly into the dark places that they may not want to go to but always there to love, protect you and pick up the pieces. That is the real bravery here.
Emma Jane
February 18th, 2011 at 10:29 am
@Jess, I think it’s not surprising so many of the GNO girls have done WB, people with similar interests tend to group together. And I would guess 3 of them have dove it with same people as me. And at my party there were at least 10 people I knew of who had done it.
I think in the wider scene such long interrogation scenes without limits are actually not as common, certainly from the reaction on my blog it seems that way. Or maybe that’s because people don’t talk about it as much?
At the end of the day each to their own
Scarlett
February 18th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
@EJ I’d say that it’s the inverse of that- on the wider scene, spanning Informed Consent and Fetlife, looking at BDSM rather than CP, I think interrogation, with water-boarding as a feature, is really common. It’s on the CP and role-play scene that it seems unusual, and therefore unusual within our corner of the blogesphere which is quite small and has a CP bent.
For most of the London U35 crew, this kind of play is their default, despite it’s intensity. No limits / no safewords is massively prevalent in D/s relationships. I don’t consider myself to have safewording as an option in most of the play I do with my boyf because I trust his judgement as to what I can/will do better than I trust my own.
I find the idea that “imitation” water boarding is standard, and “real” water-boarding is rare, somewhat uninformed.It sound a little bit derisive of what lots of people do.
Emma Jane
February 18th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
@Scarlett, I think you’ve misunderstood my comment. It’s not meant to be at all derisive. And nowhere have I said that imitation play is standard either. My sphere of reference is the CP scene, I am not a BDSM player for the most part. I only speak of my only personal experiences and how people have reacted to them.
As I said each to their own, I do not attempt to make people feel my play is better or worse or more or less intense than others. Nor does Abel make that point either. We are merely expressing how this scene was and how it impacted us.
And it’s interesting to get the various views from outsiders who were not there. But that is only a view, we are entitled to our feelings
catherine
February 18th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
I agree – each to their own.
We *all* do things that the general population would consider weird, extreme and probably dangerous. Do we have to compete? Surely any genuine challenge, at least in this type of setting, should be with ourselves, not each other?
I found parts of this scene a challenge, physical more than mental, and I loved it. I’m really grateful to have been given such a chance to flirt with the feeling of danger, while playing with people I knew I could trust with my life. To some that may be “really common” but to me, that’s a rare thing. I also appreciate that Abel has done his best not to smother me with overprotectiveness – both before and after the scene.
Frankly, it’s none of my concern whether other people have come closer to drowning than I did, or been more scared, or less scared, or whatever. If this stuff works for you, and you have brilliant people to do it with, that’s great; if not, that’s unfortunate.
But – if you’ve not tried it before – waterboarding in its various forms can be dangerous, so please, whoever you play with, make sure they know what they are doing and – perhaps more importantly – know what to do should it go wrong. And, if you are the type of person to go deep – as EJ is able to do far better than I – please make sure you have the right people around afterwards to bring you back to normal life in the way that works for you.